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What To Do When Generations Clash
I’ve just returned from the EO President’s Meeting in Dallas, TX and one of the biggest topics that they were discussing was the significance of delivering value to members. The major reason why value is so important: retention of members. Like most organizations and companies, acquiring a new member (or customer) is very expensive and time-consuming. It seems obvious that, once you’ve acquired them, retaining members should be a heavy area of focus for any leadership team. As the discussion continued it began to shift to the age of our members and the risks/rewards of eliminating the ceiling that is currently placed on new members.
I found myself sitting in this large conference room with 100+ other business leaders reflecting on the amount of preparation and time that had gone into evaluating this topic. The most amazing thought I had was that the collective revenues of these 100+ businesses represents the GDP of a fairly significant nation and this was the most important thing on their minds.
When EO was started just over 20 years ago, it was created for Entrepreneurs who were under the age of 40. When I joined EO 5 years ago it was called the Young Entrepreneurs’ Organization (YEO). At the time, the average age of a member was about 37. Today, the age limit of 40 has been eliminated and the average age of a member is now 41. To put it in a more simple perspective: every year that I’ve been part of this organization, the average age has gone up by 1 year. This is quite indicative of our entire population as well as a major challenge for businesses around the US.
Something we’ve been looking at a lot here at Hire Better is directly related to this particular topic. The area of focus for us: as businesses continue to grow and mature, they’re worried about the retention of their employees as well as the age of their teams. Jason Dorsey, widely known by the business word as the GenY Guy, has some incredible data points that he’s been publicizing to business leaders around the world. Here are a few:
- For the first time ever we have FOUR generations working together in the same workplace (GenY, GenX, Baby Boomers and “the Mature” Generation)
- The average life expectancy of a Baby Boomer is about 78 while the “retirement age” is still 65
- GenY’ers are the first generation in history that will likely need to WORK for 65 years (that’s retirement at 87-90 years old)
On top of these points, here are a couple of other really scary ones (if you’re a business leader)
- While Baby Boomers are finally comfortable with email and are actively learning about Facebook, GenY’ers aren’t using those mediums much any more because they’re cumbersome and/or they’re no longer “cool” now that their parents are part of the community
- GenY’ers believe that long term tenure in a role is 13 months. Baby Boomers want to give them employee reviews once a year.
- GenY’ers aren’t really motivated by money as a “carrot” the way most previous generations have been. Why? Because their parents (those same Boomers) have given them a credit card to pay for things like gas, groceries, vacations, etc.
Driving retention, loyalty and performance from the GenY population is becoming a real challenge for businesses around the US. This is a generation that is affordable and hard-working as well as passionate about their work but they can’t be relied on to work diligently from 8 AM to 6 PM every day. They aren’t interested in sitting in meetings to talk about the next meeting. And they’re no longer even “tech savvy” (Jason calls them “tech dependent” because they don’t have any idea how their smart phone works – they just know they can’t live without it).
What in the world are you supposed to do as a business when you wake up and realize that the future of your organization depends on leveraging this new population of workers that you can’t relate to? Here are a couple of quick suggestions:
- Accept that while Work/Life Balance is something that Baby Boomers dream about and GenX’ers talk about, GenY lives it. You won’t be able to keep them around if you expect them to sacrifice their friendships and social time. Create a workplace that inspires them and encourages hard work in short spurts and then downtime to go “be a kid”.
- Let them work in teams as often as possible. This is a generation that was raised playing soccer, baseball and other team sports starting at age 3. They were on tournament teams starting at age 8. When then went to these tournaments, even if they finished in 8th place they all got trophies. If you’re asking them to work solo and independently without praise, they’re not going to stay engaged.
- Start with the outcome and then work backwards to to talk about the steps. This is counter-intuitive to the way most people are used to teaching and also to how our educational system has educated every generation for the last 5 generations. By starting with the big picture and driving universal awareness of the challenges, GenY will embrace the challenge and buy-in to the goals instead of zoning out at step 4 of a 200 step process.
- Give employee reviews all the time – 10 minute check-ins every week or two are significantly more powerful than an annual review. Let this new generation know what they are doing right, give them praise, offer corrective actions and make minor adjustments all the time instead of hoping they’ll be around for their 1st annual review.
Jason Dorsey just released a new book and you owe it to yourself to buy it and read it. You can also read a lot more about him on his website.
Tags: Entrepreneurs, EO, gen Y, generation Y, geny, hire better, jason dorsey, Retention, Scorecard, talent acquisition
You Weren’t Born With Those Opinions
Doing a quick search in Google for “common interview questions and answers” will yield you 25,100,000 results.
I’m not sure what’s more surprising: the results or the questions that people typically ask in an interview?!
A few years ago, I had the unique opportunity to join an organization called EO. One of the first things they require you to do upon joining is go through a full day of “Forum Training” in which you get interested to a bunch of fellow Entrepreneurs and you also learn how to no longer offer opinions or advice. It really messes with your head – even today, after 5 years of practicing, I still find myself struggling to avoid hearing a challenge a fellow member is having and not offer feedback based on my opinions. As a society it’s present in our lives from the moment we can crawl and reach out for things like power outlets, hot stoves, etc. ”Don’t touch that!” we yell as parents. Yet, as our children get older and ask, “Why not, Daddy?” it’s sometimes hard to justify why we told them not to do something.
Instead of Advice or Opinions, EO encourages you to abide by something called “Gestalt Protocol“. A quick review of Wikipedia will tell you that Gestalt Therapy:
…focuses more on process (what is happening) than content (what is being discussed). The emphasis is on what is being done, thought and felt at the moment rather than on what was, might be, could be, or should be.
Gestalt therapy is a method of awareness, by which perceiving, feeling, and acting are understood to be separate from interpreting, explaining and judging using old attitudes. This distinction between direct experience and indirect or secondary interpretation is developed in the process of therapy.
Put more simply, by sharing my experiences and how I reacted to a situation that previously happened to me is much more valuable to a colleague than what I would do if I were in their shoes at that moment. In other words: opinions are worthless.
Mary Schmich wrote an OpEd piece in the mid-90’s titled “Advice, Like Youth, Probably Just Wasted On The Young”. In that was a very appropriate quote:
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it’s worth.
To bring this idea back to the focus of this blog, how to help you HIRE BETTER, I’d offer the following random questions from that Google Search of 25,100,000 results:
- What’s your biggest weakness?
- What motivates you to do a good job?
- How are you when you’re working under pressure?
- Are you a team player?
- How long would you expect to work for us if hired?
Can you guess the common theme in every one of those questions?
The answer: EVERY ONE OF THEM CAN BE ANSWERED WITH AN OPINION
One of the ways that we’ve made our process so consistent and effective is that we don’t allow people to share their opinions in interviews. Opinions in an interview are, simply, worthless. As a hiring manager you’ll find that you’ll have a LOT more success if you are asking questions that require someone to share with you how they behaved in a situation. We actually use a lot of the questions from the book Topgrading to assist in our evaluation of talent. Here are some examples:
- What are a couple of the best and worst decisions you have made in the past year?
- Describe a situation or two in which the pressures to compromise your integrity were the strongest you have ever felt.
- What are examples of circumstances in which you were expected to do a certain thing and, on your own, went beyond the call of duty?
- Describe a complex challenge you have had coordinating a project.
- When was the last time you missed a significant deadline?
Upon review, what do all of these questions have in common?
They require the candidate to answer based on their experiences.
The Bottom Line: if you’re asking questions in an interview that allow for someone to offer their opinion, there’s a high likelihood that they’ve been to a lot of the 25,100,000 websites that Google returns when you go hunting for common interview questions and how to answer them so you sound like a superstar. But for job-seekers, there isn’t a single website they can go to that will give them the answer to a question that requires them to share their past experiences.
While there are a lot of people who will argue that past experience is NOT the greatest indicator of future success, you, as a hiring manager, often have the choice of either relying on those past experiences or listening to someone’s rehearsed answers and opinions instead.
Tags: A-Players, advice, Advice is a form of nostalgia, behavioral-based, Brad Smart, career history, chris mursau, EO, hire better, hiring manager, Interview, Scorecard, smarttopgrading, talent acquisition, Topgrading, topgrading methodology
Build It Right – Right from the Start
Hanging out with Early Stage Entrepreneurs is about my favorite thing in the world to do. For the past 18 months I’ve been actively involved in EO’s Accelerator Program which is dedicated to helping companies between $250k-$1mm grow faster and more efficiently through peer to peer learning, introductions to advisors and facilitated learning opportunities.
This morning I got the chance to share some of our best practices with the Portfolio Companies of Austin’s newest Incubator: Capital Factory. (If you’re interested, you can follow them on Twitter: @capitalfactory). I find it exhilarating to spend time with new companies and brilliant minds and I’m proud to have American Workforce be a supporter of this organization. This morning we focused on how each and every one of their companies has a chance to do things right – right from the start. None of them have started to hire employees yet but each of them has the plan to in the very near future. We talked about a number of strategies and the ways that they can make their companies attractive to top talent without having to spend a lot of money. But what I really challenged each of them to do was to analyze their Virtual Bench, build a repeatable screening process that gets to the point of what they need to find out about someone before hiring them, and thinking about the candidates’ perspectives when they are considering joining these new companies.
There were FOUR main questions that I asked them to really think about as we were wrapping up. If you’re a Business Owner, aspiring Entrepreneur or Manager, you should be thinking about these questions too:
- What is the first impression we provide to prospective A-Players when they come on-site to meet us?
- If we’re interviewing an A-Player and everyone knows it, are we willing to make our decision on the spot? If not, what else needed to happen during screening to make us comfortable and confident?
- Have we acknowledged the spouse or significant other and included them during the recruiting process? How could we?
- Are we ready to have new A-Players on our team? Can our management style challenge them so that they’ll stay and thrive in our company?
And the BONUS Question: Are we comfortable hiring people that have the potential to take our position?
Sure, Topgrading is tough to implement. But in the 2 years that I’ve been involved with it, I’ve found that it’s the questions above that impair companies and limit the effectiveness of the process more than conducting 4 hour interviews or executing on TORC. What are you doing in your company to Hire Better?
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Establishing Accountability on a Volunteer or Non-Profit Board: Topgrading can help
For the past 2 years I’ve been fortunate to be involved with something called the Accelerator Program. Established by the Entrepreneurs Organization, the Accelerator Program was built around educational content focused on four key issues faced by first-stage entrepreneurs: strategic planning, sales & marketing, people and finance. Unlike Business Schools or Government Programs, the Accelerator Participants learn from actual Entrepreneurs who are running their organizations day to day and have businesses that are over $1mm in Revenue (less than 4% of companies in the US ever attain this level).
In July, my role as the CHAMPION for Central Texas (essential the Chairman of the Program here in Austin) expires. My Champion-Elect, Jeffrey Stukuls, will take over. I’ve been working hard on a transition plan and wanted to be sure that I had:
- Chosen the right person for the position
- Assessed them on the skill sets and competencies needed to be successful
- Clearly set expectations so that they knew both (a) what success meant and (b) what was expected of them
As I was going through all of this I had one of those light bulb moments of clarity. I thought, “Why not create a Top Accountabilities document like we do for our clients here at Hire Better?” In case your not familiar, the Top Accountabilities idea was established by Dr. Brad Smart in his book Topgrading.
It’s funny that this kind of idea never struck me as being a solution before but when you really think about it, when have you ever gotten something as simple as a Job Description for a Volunteer role that you had?
Because this blog post wouldn’t have that much meaning unless I showed it to you, I asked Jeffrey if he would mind if I published the document. Hope you enjoy it! Click HERE and it will open in a new window.
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